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* <span style="background-color:aqua;">'''YYYY2025-MMM12-DD 10 to 2025-12-11 / X days 2 Days / Packrafting / SOBO / RP / Your nameMichel & Lisa'''</span>.

Day 0 We stared at the end of GPT16, at the shop [66.4/237] where we stocked up. However, there are many more shops en route towards the Quilmio camping that are not in the waypoints, so you could save yourself some carrying if you were doing the same thing. The last one seems to be at X {17P-A} [1.3/223] and it's about the same size as the one just mentioned, though we didn't check what they had in stock. When we arrived at Quilmio (Camp $ {17P-A} (2.6/208]), no one was there but toilets and showers open, clean and working (no hot water). They also have cabañas apparently. Camping for one tent, two people was 15000 CLP. The owner showed us a good spot for entering the water with our packraft on this side of the river. It's just where the "Estacionamiento" sign is. He also pointed out one could go just under the bridge on the other side which shouldn't be private land, however we didn't check. He also told us to take the right arm of the river which should be faster (so different than the track files). Day 1 We put in at the spot where the owner of the camping showed us. It's fine but the other side under the bridge would be even easier. We actually dropped a paddle in the water while getting in (got it back easily by paddling after it) but I'm sure you can do better than us, haha.This was our first packrafting down a river and we really loved it. We took the left arm of the river where it splits, just as the track files indicate. We saw something that looked like a wiesel, otter and possibly a beaver (though that could've been an otter as well). There are lots of sunken trees in the river and we were glad to not have put on the fin, we would've lost it most likely. There was one spot that was kind of unpleasant where there was just one good line (in the middle of the river) with the packraft because the river is almost completely blocked by fallen trees, here: [-39.720263, -71.931705] but this may be transient. It's absolutely passable but we had to work our way through by holding onto a tree, lifting the boat over a trunk and then paddling again.When we reached Lago Neltume at 15:00 the wind was blowing against us, in northerly direction which made progress really slow. Just when we arrived at the end of PR (17:09), it switched off. So you might be better off waiting until 17:00 to paddle the lake. It was still doable against the wind though...The camping where we landed was deserted except for a group of 5 dogs who were friendly and left our food alone even when unattended. Later, the owner came and asked for 8000 CLP per person which we agree with others, is rather overpriced. You could also go to the other side of the small river ([-39.80474, -71.97920]) where it looks like there's good camping too but we don't know if that's public land or not (we guessed so). If we had had the energy, we would've gone to Camping Río Chan Chan which indeed looks much nicer and even has a little store. It's just about 400 m along the road (south) and we saw it walking to the end of GPT17P the next day.  * <span style="background-color:aqua;"> '''2025-0211-16 till 21 to 2025-11-22 / 2 days / Packrafting / SOBO / RP / Dave, Siyuan'''</span>. Day 01: We travelled from Puerto Montt (via Villarrica) the previous day, but only arrived at the start of GPT17P at 18:30, so we stayed at the Agrocamping Quilmio camp site overnight (10,000 CLP for 2 people). We got on the river at 11:00 at a nice spot inside the campsite. The river was slow moving with no dangerous rapids, but many trees to avoid. Several places we got the raft caught on submerged branches. We reached Lago Neltume at 16:00 and decided to push on. There was a ~5kmh headwind so progress was slow and we eventually reached the Lake Paradise camp site “Lake {17P} [24.7/199]” after about 2hr of paddling. Day 02: We hitched a lift from “X, Bus {17P} [27.1/248]” to Puerto Fuy with no trouble at all.  * <span style="background-17 color:aqua;">'''2025-11-14 to 2025-11-15 /1 day / Packrafting/ SOBO/ RP (new option from Liquiñe) / Daniel.s'''</span>. Arrived from Santiago on the nightbus to Villarrica, from there you have four daily buses on weekdays (10, 13, 16:30 and 19:15), two on Saturdays (13 and 18:00) and one on Sundays (18:30) from opposite the turbus terminal. Cost ~4k clp.I did my food shopping in Villarrica and took the 10 am. bus to Liquiñe and put in behind the Termas Rio Liquiñe. Water level was very low for this early in the season, touched ground sometimes. Other than that there's nothing new to the river.Camped about 2 days ,5k before the lake. Crossed Lago Neltume in the morning with no wind. Exit at the campground Lake {17P} [24.7/199] and hitchhiking from there to Puerto Fuy to start GPT 18. ==Season 2024/ packrafting 25== * <span style="background-color:aqua;">'''2025-01-31 to 2025-02-01 /1 day / Packrafting / SOBO /RP / RR Lucie and Thomas'''</span> We chose to go in the water just before the bridge and through Quilimo camping (at -39,70506 -71,90145 ~200m after entrance of the camping where we had a quick stop). This option is not very convenient and we regretted it a bit because we pinched Lucie's packraft. Thankfully we were able to patch it. Crossing the bridge and going down to the small beach seemed to be a better way to the water (although seemed like private land).Day 1 afternoon: Quilimo camping > amazing camp site at -39,74720 -71,95483, about 3 and half hours (without breaks) with little paddling. The flow was relatively low, with some very easy rapids (the strongest is the first one just after the Quilimo bridge), even with ultra light packraft. Numerous fallen trunks but never hard to avoid. Perfect for watching animals (some visons, a lot of kingfishers, cormorans, and other various birds). Day 2 morning: camp site to Lago Neltume, about 1 hour and half without any rapids. We went out of the lake at the first camping on the left and hitchhicked to Futrono to skip section 18. From Panguipulli, it seems easier (at least on week ends) to take a bus to Valdivia and then Valdivia-Futrono (1 bus per hour) rather than going through Los Lagos as we did. * <span style="background-color:aqua;">'''2025-01-16 to 2025-01-17 / X2days / Packrafting / SOBO /RP / Thijmen Scholten '''</span>.

 - Hot springs at the end of lake very expensive 15.000 and extremely bussy not advisable

This section that we paddled from Liquine to the start of the regular route had more rapids. I am not one to judge, but I would say they were class01, no greater than Low class 02 rapids. (Tomáš: the biggest rapid was right at the beginning, but it was straightforward). With that said, it was slightly more enjoyable than the later half of the river. Obstacles besides the river were shallow rocks. We hit our exposed knees a few times (canoe seats). There was an excavator working under the bridge in town (where the river temporarily splits) so we had to go right, but I think the left would have been better. They are renovating the river bank so time will tell with what happens to the river. Lots of fishermen out with their long lines in the water so be careful.

Having canoe paddles that fit together to form one kayak paddle helped for the sections I wanted to walk and Tomáš wanted to paddle. There was only one section that was in the very beginning of RP route that we both chose to walk as it looked dangerous: -39.70205, -71.88634 so far, everynody everybody seems to have out put in after that). It was a fast moving narrow bend with an undercut like feature and lots of wood and current driving you onto a rock at the end of it.

The next day we continued the meander. Everything felt like it got progressively easier but wood was still sneaking up here and there. The tebanos tabanos were relentless, this is our third year here and for me I have never had them at that level (and this was just the level we had them that daybeginning of their season...). They didn't even leave us alone while crossing the windy lake Tomáš: I must have killed like 70 of them over this section). And as for the lake, when we got to Lago Neltume, we had a moderate headwind, however the waves were noticable but harmless. Therefore we basically aimed and paddled straight to the campground @24.7, which took us slightly above one hour.

At the campground there were two groups of people but very spread apart. No (free) drinking water but there were toilets and tables ext. Nobody asked us for anything. I had a super lovely swim in the lake, the temperature was perfect and I enjoyed a break from the tabanos. When we left we made a silly mistake. We both assumed the double padlock on the closed gate was locked so Tomáš ended up cutting a bunch of blackberries near the side fence in order for us to jump over. We found out later it wasn't actually locked because the couple that gave us a hitch to Neltume were staying there. Before getting that hitch we walked perhaps 1-2km on the road.